More Christmas Items in the WShop!
Today along with some new eStore (virtual only) Webkinz, mega stove recipes, and a few other updates, Ganz also added Five New Christmas Items to the WShop: Hickory Clock, Overstuffed Stocking, Blue Frost Tree, Hovering Menorah, and Winter Wonders Window.
1 Kaythemonkey said,
November 24, 2010 @ 3:42 pm
thanks for the new post momz!!
2 dee(bbqeeun) said,
November 24, 2010 @ 3:43 pm
hey kay, i sent a friend request
i looked around WI and saw a comment at 1142kt about the baskets
3 Kaythemonkey said,
November 24, 2010 @ 3:44 pm
Dee – will send some of those leafs over later. which do u want the shirt, pant, or some pies?? lmk
Cat- as well as with you i will send ur sand castle a bit later
gtta go help with dinner.
thanks again momz aha u missed out this morning!
bbs;
4 dee(bbqeeun) said,
November 24, 2010 @ 3:44 pm
i bought 15 stockings so far, they are nice and cheap
no clothes tho!
5 momskinz (WWID: momsownkinz) said,
November 24, 2010 @ 3:44 pm
i’m sad i missed the chance for extra baskets, but so happy some people got lucky!
6 Kaythemonkey said,
November 24, 2010 @ 3:44 pm
1142?? under what?
7 dee(bbqeeun) said,
November 24, 2010 @ 3:45 pm
a suit would be lovely kay and thanks in advance
were you able to do well in the trading room?
8 momskinz (WWID: momsownkinz) said,
November 24, 2010 @ 3:45 pm
kay – sorry i missed you, too!!!
what are you talking about with leafs???
9 Kaythemonkey said,
November 24, 2010 @ 3:45 pm
momz – i got plenty lmk what u want like the shirts or w/e lmk and ill ship them ur way later! 😉
10 dee(bbqeeun) said,
November 24, 2010 @ 3:45 pm
i emailed chickle, but she was snoozing!
I do not know how rf made out
11 dee(bbqeeun) said,
November 24, 2010 @ 3:46 pm
1142 kinztime (kt)
12 rashroosh (wwid 2) said,
November 24, 2010 @ 3:46 pm
hello momz im rashroosh and im new here !! so hope we get more posts btw thanx for posting 🙂
13 Kaythemonkey said,
November 24, 2010 @ 3:46 pm
leafs aka the extra baskets LOL
meh & dee called em leafs
14 dee(bbqeeun) said,
November 24, 2010 @ 3:47 pm
leafs are baskets moms!
I was shushing them about their loot……did not want ganz spies stopping them before they could load up! LOL
15 Kaythemonkey said,
November 24, 2010 @ 3:47 pm
ohh so what about the baskets at tht time??
16 dee(bbqeeun) said,
November 24, 2010 @ 3:47 pm
moms
would that be a reason why you need an iphone????
17 Flowiing said,
November 24, 2010 @ 3:47 pm
Wait, how did you get extra baskets?????
18 momskinz (WWID: momsownkinz) said,
November 24, 2010 @ 3:47 pm
i’m doing the change of address cards – should have done postcards again this time, envelopes are annoying
19 Kaythemonkey said,
November 24, 2010 @ 3:48 pm
rare in the curio now
20 dee(bbqeeun) said,
November 24, 2010 @ 3:48 pm
kay, that was the first time I saw anything mentioned on WI about extra baskets on asian accounts. So you know they were loading up too but not advertising it.
smart!
21 Kaythemonkey said,
November 24, 2010 @ 3:49 pm
flow – at 10:00 our time and 12:00 at midnight asia time we would normally log in to get our thanksgiving baskets well wen we logged in we got our baskets and when we would log in again n again we would get another basket everytime
22 dee(bbqeeun) said,
November 24, 2010 @ 3:49 pm
do them with christmas cards moms!
23 Kaythemonkey said,
November 24, 2010 @ 3:49 pm
Dee- haha i think that if they were to sey anything about it that they would shut it down in a second LOL
24 dee(bbqeeun) said,
November 24, 2010 @ 3:50 pm
and again and again and again and again and again and again
🙂
25 Kaythemonkey said,
November 24, 2010 @ 3:50 pm
i hate the taste of licking the envelopes ewwwyy
26 dee(bbqeeun) said,
November 24, 2010 @ 3:50 pm
i do not have asian, but it was a whole lot of fun to watch you guys
27 Flowiing said,
November 24, 2010 @ 3:50 pm
soo is it still going on?
28 Kaythemonkey said,
November 24, 2010 @ 3:51 pm
omg it was so annoying i like would log in and out of two acc’s and after i would collect 3 on each i would unload them in my house than continue the pattern. but oh boy did i get ALOT and i mean… ALOT!
29 Kaythemonkey said,
November 24, 2010 @ 3:51 pm
flow – nope it ended at like what 1142 kinztime.
30 dee(bbqeeun) said,
November 24, 2010 @ 3:52 pm
i need to finish this homework. I have to find a youtube on a different snake handling church. seems like there are more of them than I would have thought.
be back in a bit
31 Kaythemonkey said,
November 24, 2010 @ 3:52 pm
i hope the same thing happens for the x-mas gift hehe (:
32 Kaythemonkey said,
November 24, 2010 @ 3:52 pm
yeah and its time for dinner! pizza ftw
be back also!!
33 Flowiing said,
November 24, 2010 @ 3:53 pm
Oh… I never knew about it???
34 Alisha (sunshyn225) said,
November 24, 2010 @ 3:53 pm
If anyone is on, you have 5 more minutes to get the persian rare fruit table!!! GO! 😀
35 Flowiing said,
November 24, 2010 @ 3:53 pm
Why didn’t anyone say anything about it???????
I wish I got some!
36 Flowiing said,
November 24, 2010 @ 3:54 pm
Oh well…. =/
I wish I knew what you guys were talking about, so know it just sucks for me
37 Flowiing said,
November 24, 2010 @ 3:54 pm
ugh I am soo mad.
38 Flowiing said,
November 24, 2010 @ 3:55 pm
No one said anything really, you guys were saying leaves…..
39 Kaythemonkey said,
November 24, 2010 @ 4:35 pm
Momz – Just wanted to ask if ur doing a thanksgiving contest? bcuz i would like to do one myself. im gonna hit the trading room for some items to have in it
40 Kaythemonkey said,
November 24, 2010 @ 4:39 pm
any1 here??
41 Swimmer (AKA TILLIEWAGER910) said,
November 24, 2010 @ 4:43 pm
i am here. I just ordered Jimmy Johns.
42 Flowiing said,
November 24, 2010 @ 4:44 pm
I am soo bored
43 Kaythemonkey said,
November 24, 2010 @ 4:44 pm
heya tillie & flow!
44 Swimmer (AKA TILLIEWAGER910) said,
November 24, 2010 @ 4:47 pm
I could barely hear the dude on the phone
45 dee(bbqeeun) said,
November 24, 2010 @ 4:51 pm
hello again
my homework is done for that class! one more class to do and I will start that friday am maybe
46 Gwenda said,
November 24, 2010 @ 4:55 pm
Hey there I would love Extra Outfits pleaaaasse!!!!! Like 4. I’ll trade for them!
47 Kaythemonkey said,
November 24, 2010 @ 4:56 pm
gwenda ♥ check ur kinzpost in a minute.
48 Gwenda said,
November 24, 2010 @ 4:57 pm
Hello?
49 Gwenda said,
November 24, 2010 @ 4:57 pm
KAY ♥ Seriously!!? YAY!!!
50 Flowiing said,
November 24, 2010 @ 4:57 pm
-poke-
51 Gwenda said,
November 24, 2010 @ 4:58 pm
What would you like Kay?
52 Gwenda said,
November 24, 2010 @ 4:58 pm
Hey Flow how are you?
53 Flowiing said,
November 24, 2010 @ 4:58 pm
I can not WAIT for tomorrow, I know like I am so pathetic, I love free stuff!!!!!!
54 rashroosh (wwid 2) said,
November 24, 2010 @ 4:59 pm
hey kay im like the newest member here so anyway are u doing the contest
55 Gwenda said,
November 24, 2010 @ 4:59 pm
BRB cooking…….
56 Flowiing said,
November 24, 2010 @ 5:00 pm
Gwen- Are you going to be doing anything for tomorrow or Black Friday? I am going to go get some webkinz tomorrow. I don’t think as many people are going to walgreens tomorrow but more Black Friday.
Like a kid could be like ‘Mom, WE HAVE to go get webkinz’
Mom’s Reply ‘We can go out when we are going to get other things, besides we have plans’
57 dee(bbqeeun) said,
November 24, 2010 @ 5:01 pm
i hear ya gwenda
i would like hats and shoes!
make the whole outfit!
58 Flowiing said,
November 24, 2010 @ 5:01 pm
And I can’t wait to get my mom out of bed, okay wait for her to ‘get up’
I am getting new stuff on Aerie!
59 Flowiing said,
November 24, 2010 @ 5:01 pm
Buying online so we can use it on both stores
60 rashroosh (wwid 2) said,
November 24, 2010 @ 5:02 pm
i love blackfriday everything is cheaper
61 Flowiing said,
November 24, 2010 @ 5:04 pm
Not really though, American Eagle is opening up 4am on Black Friday!! They don’t really do any deals you know… like Aeropostale- $10 hoodies or $5 t-shirts? Whats the big deal? Isn’t it just easier to make buy 2 shirts here and 2 shirts there for a couple bucks more?
I wonder if they will have a limit because some ebayers might think they will get a good deal
62 Flowiing said,
November 24, 2010 @ 5:04 pm
Its not really fun shopping for clothes in crowds.
63 Gwenda said,
November 24, 2010 @ 5:05 pm
HEY DEE!! A hat & shoes would be great. Maybe some day 🙂
Flow I’m cooking & my family is coming. I don’t usually go anywhere on Thanksgiving.
I’m gonna be one tired puppy…well one tireder puppy.
64 rashroosh (wwid 2) said,
November 24, 2010 @ 5:05 pm
hey kay i have something i dont exactly want a psi the frozen pond not exactly sure for wat pet lol any way if ur interested tell me and add me im rashroosh
65 rashroosh (wwid 2) said,
November 24, 2010 @ 5:06 pm
wanna trade
66 Flowiing said,
November 24, 2010 @ 5:07 pm
rash- I think Kay is going to go to the trading room to get some deals, you know like someone wants to trade 2 for her 1.
67 dee(bbqeeun) said,
November 24, 2010 @ 5:08 pm
i know gwenda
we will probably not leave the house til friday afternoon sometime.
we do not care for crowds and our weather is supposed to be poopy!
dh is picking up dvds and a pizza after dds piano lesson
so we will be set
68 Flowiing said,
November 24, 2010 @ 5:09 pm
I mean its just these stores, do you really want to get up? Or it just for the fun of it?
69 rashroosh (wwid 2) said,
November 24, 2010 @ 5:09 pm
hey flowing wat r u doing for black friday r u going shopping or anything
70 Kaythemonkey said,
November 24, 2010 @ 5:10 pm
gwenda nothing in return..
im sending ur’s and dee’s now!
71 Gwenda (wk2nd) said,
November 24, 2010 @ 5:11 pm
I just realized my wwid wasn’t in my name because I was logged on. WEird
72 Kaythemonkey said,
November 24, 2010 @ 5:12 pm
gotta wait for my dock to load uh!
73 CatLover ♥ {Madi1422} said,
November 24, 2010 @ 5:12 pm
Hello Everyone! =)
74 Gwenda (wk2nd) said,
November 24, 2010 @ 5:12 pm
Thank you Kay!!!!!
75 Gwenda (wk2nd) said,
November 24, 2010 @ 5:13 pm
Dee- I don’t do crowds either they freak my DS out.
76 Kaythemonkey said,
November 24, 2010 @ 5:13 pm
id send 3 of each but they are all on my asia.
77 Flowiing said,
November 24, 2010 @ 5:14 pm
I am not really doing much on Black Friday, sadly. I would love to go out just to go out.
LOL
Thanksgiving, we are going Walgreens shopping. I know its so pathetic, like ‘Oh I went to Walgreens for Black Friday’
Then its like ‘Umm… thats cool’
78 Gwenda (wk2nd) said,
November 24, 2010 @ 5:14 pm
Dee-Could you have your dh pick up a pizza for me too? 😉
79 Flowiing said,
November 24, 2010 @ 5:14 pm
Gwenda- Does his tics worsen in crowds or is it just he doesn’t like all the people?
80 Kaythemonkey said,
November 24, 2010 @ 5:15 pm
wish i could go on black friday
81 Kaythemonkey said,
November 24, 2010 @ 5:16 pm
i had homemade pizza for dinner yumm!
82 Gwenda (wk2nd) said,
November 24, 2010 @ 5:16 pm
Welcome Rash!!! 🙂
83 Gwenda (wk2nd) said,
November 24, 2010 @ 5:16 pm
Ya know I’m pretty sure that’s the first time I’ve ever “WELCOMED” a Rash!! 😆
84 CatLover ♥ {Madi1422} said,
November 24, 2010 @ 5:17 pm
Euro Accts – Token Balloon Dartz now
85 Gwenda (wk2nd) said,
November 24, 2010 @ 5:18 pm
Rats!! I have to go. If I can’t come back tomorrow MISS YA & HAPPY THANKSGIVING!!
DEE YOU JUST YOOOO HOOOOO ME 🙂 ♥
86 dee(bbqeeun) said,
November 24, 2010 @ 5:18 pm
gwenda!
now i do not feel bad for saying I just put the kinzcare tip jar on a table by a bed. I laughed and thought of you!
87 Kaythemonkey said,
November 24, 2010 @ 5:19 pm
adios gwen ♥
88 rashroosh (wwid 2) said,
November 24, 2010 @ 5:19 pm
gwenda-hehe 🙂 thnx
89 Gwenda (wk2nd) said,
November 24, 2010 @ 5:20 pm
Flow- Both-It’s way better than when he was younger. He very empathic so when people are freaking out(over sales or whatever) it freaks him out.
90 Gwenda (wk2nd) said,
November 24, 2010 @ 5:21 pm
OOOOH Dee…you soooo bad………. 😆
91 dee(bbqeeun) said,
November 24, 2010 @ 5:21 pm
hey
what are fizzie fuzzies? I have them in my dock. is it party food or was that from halloween?
92 Gwenda (wk2nd) said,
November 24, 2010 @ 5:25 pm
Bye Kay ♥ ByE Dee Bye Flow Bye Rash……..Bye john boy…….
93 dee(bbqeeun) said,
November 24, 2010 @ 5:27 pm
i just bought some of those new blue trees
they are very pretty
94 tobybunny(WWID 44ERK12) is wishing for fall fest prizes, ilama PSI, dr.quacks bed and side table and endangered exclusives ! said,
November 24, 2010 @ 5:29 pm
hi,i just stopped in to say hi,ill be back later to chat cause my therapist is here. have fun!
95 CatLover ♥ {Madi1422} said,
November 24, 2010 @ 5:31 pm
Wow, those new blue trees are bigger than I thought they would be for 150 KC…
96 Flowiing said,
November 24, 2010 @ 5:46 pm
86- Soo is this the perverted way of thinking? 😉
97 Flowiing said,
November 24, 2010 @ 5:52 pm
You know I am just wondering because I don’t want to be the only one thinking dirty..
98 CatLover ♥ {Madi1422} said,
November 24, 2010 @ 6:00 pm
WShop Coupon NOW
99 dee said,
November 24, 2010 @ 6:12 pm
flow!
you do not tip the maids when you stay in hotels?
100 Big Oompa (WWID:ccjs1000) said,
November 24, 2010 @ 6:12 pm
hi!!!
im back…
i had to go to my great uncle’s funeral today…..
yay thanksgiving tomorrow 🙂
101 dee said,
November 24, 2010 @ 6:12 pm
them blue trees are super. I wonder if they can go outside?
102 dee said,
November 24, 2010 @ 6:13 pm
pizza is here!!!!!!!!!!!!!
103 Big Oompa (WWID:ccjs1000) said,
November 24, 2010 @ 6:54 pm
lalalalalalala i love u!
104 Big Oompa (WWID:ccjs1000) said,
November 24, 2010 @ 6:54 pm
kk sry spaz attack
105 dee said,
November 24, 2010 @ 8:27 pm
update from the country!
we do not get newspapers on any kind of holiday
so todays has all the ads
toys r us has 3 webkinz in a box for 14.99
106 Rontu20 (Also My Wwid) said,
November 24, 2010 @ 8:33 pm
Since some of you have been lucky enough to get extra Thanksgiving baskets, can you do me a favor and show us what the gift is ❓ Thanks. I am on a computer at Kmart, Awesome idea! LOL
Happy Thanksgiving!
107 CatLover ♥ {Madi1422} said,
November 24, 2010 @ 8:54 pm
Woot! On todays Key Craze I got Sunshines Sun Tan Lotion! 🙂
108 Flowiing said,
November 24, 2010 @ 8:57 pm
I think Toys R Us opens at 10pm Thanksgiving.
109 Patsie said,
November 24, 2010 @ 9:14 pm
Hi everyone! How are you today?
110 dee(bbqeeun) said,
November 24, 2010 @ 9:22 pm
hey all
you are right flow. 10pm thanksgiving. I think most folks will be in bed awaiting crazy friday sales!
111 dee(bbqeeun) said,
November 24, 2010 @ 9:22 pm
the baskets have a pilgrim outfit and sweet potato pie
someone put a pic on here somewhere
112 Patsie said,
November 24, 2010 @ 9:23 pm
Aww, is it a whole costume dee?
113 jd (wwid Happysmilz96) said,
November 24, 2010 @ 9:24 pm
hey everyone1 ive missed all you guys
i havent been on here in a while
114 CatLover ♥ {Madi1422} said,
November 24, 2010 @ 9:29 pm
http://www.webkinzinsider.com/wiki/(Picture_Gallery)_Holiday_Gift_Bags#Thanksgiving_Gifts
115 CatLover ♥ {Madi1422} said,
November 24, 2010 @ 9:31 pm
WOAH, on that same page, Look at the Christmas 2010 Gift, they already have it posted…….
116 CatLover ♥ {Madi1422} said,
November 24, 2010 @ 9:32 pm
Finally Ganz gets the hint that we like clothing in our holiday gifts
117 Flowiing said,
November 24, 2010 @ 9:35 pm
Okay night all!!! Gotta get up ‘early’
My mom doesn’t want to though.
118 jd (wwid Happysmilz96) said,
November 24, 2010 @ 9:38 pm
hey cat! i see theyre doing the santa thing again with the christmas gift.
119 CatLover ♥ {Madi1422} said,
November 24, 2010 @ 9:39 pm
Wow, Ganz’s restrictions about where items can go irks me…
120 dee said,
November 24, 2010 @ 9:39 pm
i saw that too cat
that robe is lovely for christmas
just needs some slippers!
121 CatLover ♥ {Madi1422} said,
November 24, 2010 @ 9:39 pm
JD – Yup, looks like they are. How are you? Long time no chat! ♥
122 dee said,
November 24, 2010 @ 9:40 pm
i just need to crush some crackers and finely dice some onions to prep for tomorrow! we have way too much food
123 jd (wwid Happysmilz96) said,
November 24, 2010 @ 9:40 pm
anyone “seen” momskinz today? i need to ask her something…i think i might email her
124 dee said,
November 24, 2010 @ 9:40 pm
have fun flow! and let us know your deals you get!
125 dee said,
November 24, 2010 @ 9:41 pm
moms is in and out. with the new house and now turkey day.
126 dee said,
November 24, 2010 @ 9:41 pm
altho she somehow senses when we are talking about her on here!
LOL
127 CatLover ♥ {Madi1422} said,
November 24, 2010 @ 9:42 pm
Jd – Yyeah, she was here earlier….email her, I know her email goes to her Blackberry so she usually replies quickly (if she has her phone with her) 😉
128 jd (wwid Happysmilz96) said,
November 24, 2010 @ 9:42 pm
i know♥ ive missed you guys 🙁 my old school was beyond easy though…lol so now i actually have to try on my hw 😛 and when i have extra time i just feel like being lazy lol
129 CatLover ♥ {Madi1422} said,
November 24, 2010 @ 9:42 pm
Grr!!! The Pelican PSI can’t go inside!!! 😡 I wanted it to go on my ‘beach’
130 jd (wwid Happysmilz96) said,
November 24, 2010 @ 9:43 pm
cool thanks cat 😀
hey dee! does your mom come on the blog now too?
131 dee said,
November 24, 2010 @ 9:43 pm
we are going to watch cats and dogs 2
132 CatLover ♥ {Madi1422} said,
November 24, 2010 @ 9:45 pm
Jd – LOL, Dee IS the mom.
133 dee said,
November 24, 2010 @ 9:46 pm
cat
my pelican psi is inside on my beach???
jd – I am the mom! ha ha
134 jd (wwid Happysmilz96) said,
November 24, 2010 @ 9:48 pm
lol sorry i misread the comment 😛 i thought you meant your mom came in and out but you were talking about momskinz 😛 my bad
135 CatLover ♥ {Madi1422} said,
November 24, 2010 @ 9:48 pm
Dee – http://i52.tinypic.com/zvsk91.jpg
136 Kaythemonkey said,
November 24, 2010 @ 9:52 pm
ohh hey jd ♥
137 Flowiing said,
November 24, 2010 @ 9:53 pm
Oh I used my hallmark coupon- i got waffles the mazin hamster, stickers, and a piece of candy for about $1.50
I would use them ASAP because they toke it down off the link if any of the people here when I told you guys about it print it out, I know dee did.
138 Kaythemonkey said,
November 24, 2010 @ 9:53 pm
im heading to bed!
139 Kaythemonkey said,
November 24, 2010 @ 9:54 pm
nighty night all!! ♥
140 Flowiing said,
November 24, 2010 @ 9:55 pm
I need Gwen’s email, if anyone sees her, please let her know I need her email. I keep forgetting. If anyone does have her email, and has my email, you can send her email to my email or give my email out to Gwen. ^^
141 jd (wwid Happysmilz96) said,
November 24, 2010 @ 10:04 pm
night kay! hey flowiing!
moms email is the still the same one thats on the contact us page right?
142 CatLover ♥ {Madi1422} said,
November 24, 2010 @ 10:05 pm
jd – yes
143 jd (wwid Happysmilz96) said,
November 24, 2010 @ 10:15 pm
thanks 🙂
well i think i must go now see you all tommorow hopefully 🙂
144 Patsie said,
November 24, 2010 @ 10:24 pm
Hi and bye jd!
145 Lil Oompa (WWID: ssb1000) said,
November 24, 2010 @ 10:37 pm
good night everyone!
146 Lizzie ♥ [wwid: pingchuan] said,
November 24, 2010 @ 11:46 pm
hiya!
147 Patsie said,
November 25, 2010 @ 12:05 am
Hi! I am mad!
148 Patsie said,
November 25, 2010 @ 12:14 am
I am leaving now to go to bed and because I am mad!
149 KraftyMomOf2 wishs Classic Gamers Club Chair, Bed, Sofa, Lamp, clock, new fall fest items said,
November 25, 2010 @ 1:26 am
howdy all, finally back home and settled in, as it were… not a happy day
hope all y’all are doing well
150 Nuug (also my wwid, REMINDER TO SELF: NEVER COMMENT MORE THAN TEN TIMES IN A ROW, UNLESS SPECIFIED OTHERWISE) said,
November 25, 2010 @ 2:16 am
Hey all. I am at grandparents’ house to celebrate thanksgiving.
151 Nuug (also my wwid, REMINDER TO SELF: NEVER COMMENT MORE THAN TEN TIMES IN A ROW, UNLESS SPECIFIED OTHERWISE) said,
November 25, 2010 @ 2:17 am
I miss soccer practice, but its all good for the food!
152 Nuug (also my wwid, REMINDER TO SELF: NEVER COMMENT MORE THAN TEN TIMES IN A ROW, UNLESS SPECIFIED OTHERWISE) said,
November 25, 2010 @ 2:19 am
But its not thanksgiving here now, so I hafta be bitter towards Ganz. Their stupid glitches and please waits caused me to fail my most time consuming academy class, griddle.And a please wait messed up my JBF game. I hate ganz so much cause this seems to happen like every week.
153 Nuug (also my wwid, REMINDER TO SELF: NEVER COMMENT MORE THAN TEN TIMES IN A ROW, UNLESS SPECIFIED OTHERWISE) said,
November 25, 2010 @ 2:22 am
Well, good night. My parents bought a pumpkin pie which I don’t like too much, so I think I am going to make a small pecan pie if I have all the ingredients. if not I will send someone to the store. Found a good recipe online! Night all, and HAPPY THANKSGIVING TO YOU ALL (on time zones past twelve am).I am glad to have everyone on this blog as a great friend!
154 momskinz (WWID: momsownkinz) said,
November 25, 2010 @ 8:01 am
New Post:
http://www.thelamberts.com/webkinz_blog/?p=17353